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Carlos are you there can you hear me all

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hello Carlos

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uh Happy New Year

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thank you very much sir and uh the same

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but I'm I

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I'm great uh no problem at all don't

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worry about it please are you still

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flying Carlos

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not yet because

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um I I was a commercial pilot for about

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32 years 32 years wow yeah and no more

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were you flying for uh an airline there

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no in

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1990 76 I I was flying it for Mexicana

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Airlines oh I see yeah all right well

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you still you are quite well qualified

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uh as a pilot and as an observer and a

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witness as well this is this is

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interesting and very helpful the idea

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we're going to take a break here in just

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a couple of minutes and we'll come back

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after the break and then hear your story

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but let me ask you just a general

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question it is well known among most of

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us in the United States that the issue

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of unidentified flying objects in Mexico

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is really of a much different nature in

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many ways than it is up here and I'm

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wondering how how much you've followed

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the whole UFO business census encounter

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you had are you do you watch and do you

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study do you pay attention or do you

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kind of keep away from it now

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well um

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this experience the hearing about the

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18th

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minutes from VOR techesky Tango radio 8

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to Mexico airport for about 18 minutes

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and um

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it was the May 3 1975 flying from the

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port of iguatanejo right heading to the

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airport in Mexico City right hold on

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right there Carlos we have to take a

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break in just a minute

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all right Carlos go ahead if you would

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and tell us your story this is

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fascinating again the year please and

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then go ahead

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on the VOR the Disney Tango the radio

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navigation Aid

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a dark gray all chips made was flying

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over the left Wings Over surface for

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about 10 or 20 centimeters

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close to the cabin

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that and then spend about five seconds

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when a second object of the same futures

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was flying about the top surface of the

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right wing you're talking about 20

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centimeters away that's it yeah yeah uh

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separate over the the surface the wind

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upper surface for about 10 or 20 put

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about 10 or 20 centimeters that must

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have scared you half to death yeah yeah

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yeah and then um

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uh when after about five seconds for

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approximately a third object

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rushes from the 12th clock of my

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position to the windshield of the

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airplane

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I hope that this was going to hit the

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airplane the windshield right but move

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it to the bottom of the fusillation

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Striking the the surface Landing oh it

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it did impact the aircraft yeah yeah oh

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man that's amazing and it exists

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for two or three photographs for

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um Mexican authorities and aeronautical

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inspection about the in the the area and

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the landing gear damage for the third

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object

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was this a small plane with fixed

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landing gear down or were they retracted

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no it's a landing gear down it's a piper

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uh Comanche got it it's a paper pa24

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Sunny gear down okay all right this I

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hope you're following this folks this is

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pretty pretty darn amazing what time of

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day was this Carlos please

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uh it was in May 3 1975. what time of

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day three May the 3rd what time of day

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morning evening afternoon uh no about 12

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o'clock in the am okay in the evening

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all right 12 midnight

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no no no meat nine uh 12 in there okay

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12 noon yeah yeah okay 12 noon once uh I

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was flying in the company of three

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objects at that

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I was very nervous and I begin to mourn

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has a Kill

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and I didn't know what uh what was

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happening because mine my mind could not

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believe

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what I was feeling of course then I

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communicated to this control center

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Mexico Traffic Control in the frequency

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um emergency

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right science uh she had no control

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over the aircraft

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could not turned to the left right

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and could not send the landing gear

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was apparently damaged by the blue of

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the third object

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under these conditions I continued with

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the three objects flying around the

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airplane for about 18

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that's a long time this um

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hold on Carlos just for a second

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noi this is this is uh

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this is as close a contact as as

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obviously you're going to get there was

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apparent impact uh these are the

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approximate 16 foot in diameter discs

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this is broad daylight

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this is astounding

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we were we were very much amazed Jeff at

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the similarities between this case the

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experience that Carlos De Los Santos is

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describing for us tonight and the uh the

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case in koyame Mexico as it happened uh

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just nine months earlier in the

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so-called Mexico's Roswell case uh you

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had both uh you had small planes uh

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similar very similar in uh in

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description uh both headed to Mexico

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City to the airport in Mexico City which

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is uh where Carlos was headed as well as

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a plane that crashed with the UFO over

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koyama he had the description of the

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UFOs very similar they were uh

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relatively small discs about 16 feet in

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diameter uh traditional disc shaped uh

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object with a control Dome on top is the

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way Carlos described it as well as a

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description given uh in the den of

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report about the koyama case so uh

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Reuben and I right away when we were

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working on on our book Metropolis

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Roswell we locked in on the similarities

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and we to the extent that we even

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wondered if perhaps something similar

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was happening to the plane uh over

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koyama at the time that something went

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wrong and it actually crashed the plane

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went down and one of the discs went down

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as well uh just north of the town of

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koyama Chihuahua Mexico which forms the

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basis is over a book so so the

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similarities Were Striking and and there

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were only a few months

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left between the two incidents right and

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um so but but uh the story that Carlos

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has yet to tell us is even more

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fascinating because he had some very

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weird things happen to him after his

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encounter all right well we'll finish

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the story uh in just a minute anything

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to add here Reuben yeah maybe Carl's can

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mention

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um he was uh in route to the state of

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Guerrero

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um he was going to be taking some

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businessmen and

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um and so it was on his return flight

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going back to Mexico City is when he had

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his encounter and

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um I'm sure that Carlos will probably

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mention too that when these objects were

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around his plane

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um the um as he had mentioned he had no

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control of his plane and one of the

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things that they did was they start

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raising his airplane in up to higher

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elevation

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and the the danger with that was that

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Carlson's plane was not pressurized

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and he was really concerned for sure

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from 10 000 feet so I'm sure he'll tell

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you a little bit more about that story

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but but the after they let him go those

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those discs flew toward uh the uh two

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volcanoes that are uh around the that

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around the uh correct perimeter of

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Mexico City Mount popo Mount popo and

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the uh other volcano that's awful there

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okay I got you I understand there have

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been a number of uh video cam images of

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disks and objects flying around Mount

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popo over the years many of them hold on

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hold on we have to take a break all

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right Carlos you're in your airplane yep

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there's a disc underneath you there are

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three around you all together and you

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have no control over the plane does this

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mean that uh the discs are somehow

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physically handling your aircraft or

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have they taken over control

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electronically or some other means you

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follow my question

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yeah yeah

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how are they controlling it

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at that time I don't know nothing about

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that for me after this experience I know

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the many people

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they worked for the NASA and the name is

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Dr Alan heineck and Mr Ray Stanford and

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Jack ballet and they they explained me

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what happened uh at that time in around

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the airplane

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perhaps the three objects

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format on the

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electromagnetic field around the

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after the 18 minutes at that experience

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and so we went closer to the valley of

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the object on the left wing

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rolls slowly climbs slowly to fly the

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aircraft and hit towards to the volcano

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the object on the right wing can't slide

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horizontally

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the left wing and the object that was in

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the bottom of the fuselage

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I I saw when traveling but still the

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are fortunately the only thing

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that stated my reputation has a human

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being has a professionals are artist

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settlements of the air traffic

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controllers

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they they confirmed that it's a radar

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screen capture it represents of the

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three echoes around the aircraft very

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so that's it

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Kirby yeah no no I mentioned that the uh

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the three discs began to lift the plane

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higher

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remember

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yeah

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when when I'm flying uh from whatanejo

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on the

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to Mexico City I'm flying uh IFR by

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instrument and I implied uh 10 000 feet

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at ten thousand feet when the uh when

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the new force on the object

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positions of the aircraft

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the the aircraft the airplane climbing

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uh for about a

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uh 10

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04 how do you say 14 000 feet and 500.

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and this uh this aircraft at that time

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it it wasn't a fresh rice no pressurizer

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crap and I don't have in the oxygen I

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understand so they took you from 10 000

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up to fourteen thousand five hundred is

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that correct that's correct that's

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correct how high could you go before you

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would really suffer from oxygen

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deprivation do you feel

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well uh I don't understand very well you

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are your questions can you help me out

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here

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two thousand but when you find over the

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10 000 feet

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they perhaps the human contest surprise

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the epoxy

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and I understand do you know what I mean

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yeah sure yeah apart you can suffer

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epoxy if you go over ten thousand feet

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yeah but uh when you happen

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yeah

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the sentiments

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he never you you are going to see and uh

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a rose elephant flying there or a piano

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playing at that level the symptoms are

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different I see you have the epoxy

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you can seek

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um and the field is reduced around you

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and you can't

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shake and you lost the space I see

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yeah I think we should mention that over

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the years people looking at this very

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impressive case

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some people some of the critics the

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naysayers that we're well familiar with

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have suggested that perhaps he was

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hallucinating from being above the the

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nominal outfit I understand so that's

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why he's making a point to

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to say that uh you wouldn't have

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hallucinations uh that isn't one of the

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symptoms

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um and and uh his story has been checked

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out uh he's been it was cleared by

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doctors afterward and so forth so it

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wasn't a hallucination I understand

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thoroughly okay all right Carlos go

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ahead please thank you thank you and

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then after this when the the rather

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screen capture the percent of the three

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Echoes of the three these to the three

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duples near the aircraft

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and the cult rather screamed the three

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objects

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made a

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270 degree turn in radius

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of less than three miles

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at

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a speed of 400 to

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450 knots

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now this is after they left the airplane

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noise

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describing the Maneuvers uh when they

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separated from his vehicle got it yeah

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yeah and then was the objects left me

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after the what about the 18 minutes

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I had a complete control of the airplane

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I can't turn to the left

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right up and down and checked in and

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then the actor did check the landing

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gear system and it was damaged because I

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can't when I put the landing gear lever

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down and never I I see the the three

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green lights

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that do have the landing gear down and

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secondly and the airport and the airport

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controlled over in Mexico

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I was instructive to drive to the make

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and approach an approach to the wrong

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way the five right and landed but

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unaffordable

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uh I could not do because the system was

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damaged the landing gear system is what

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was damaged and then finally after

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completing for about 11 passes

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over the the wrong way wow for about one

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hour and 70 minutes

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finally I'm landing

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and with the complete Landing geared

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down

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it was not necessary to uh to Atlanta

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and the emergency conditions because the

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three landing gears legs are down and

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lock it and was this confirmed no way by

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people on the ground trying to help him

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out with binoculars I imagine they were

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yes that's correct he had visual

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confirmation and he decided to go ahead

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and attempt The Landing geez

363
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okay all right so tell us how the

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landing went no problem

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no

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I

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uh many many many many problems and not

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for the UFOs but yes with the Mexican

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authorities I see because later I was

370
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taken to a medical service 80

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International Airport in Mexico City

372
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because the authorities suspective that

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my health

374
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was not good possibly

375
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perhaps there's many things to think I I

376
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have taken some drugs or

377
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who had a Superette from the hypoxia by

378
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flying it for about 10 000 feet without

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oxygen I understand so they thought you

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had health problems and they wanted to

381
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thoroughly evaluate you and study you

382
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okay exactly that's right and this was a

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very unique experience for me I guess

384
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and everyone around me

385
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because everyone of us in the same

386
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experience life moments of David

387
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as he object aircraft rather screamed my

388
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work my family my friends

389
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and all the people that you hear about

390
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:27,660
the event in this green devil

391
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and they use the you see it happening in

392
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second Euro you was like

393
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I don't know as you understand me

394
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because my English is very very terrible

395
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no it's uh very understandable no uh

396
00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:45,539
Reuben go ahead and we got just a few

397
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seconds before the break here we'll come

398
00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:49,020
right back but I think the one of the

399
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significant things that Carlos said was

400
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that the air traffic controllers they

401
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were picking up three Echoes oh yeah

402
00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:58,320
sure yeah and that's real significant

403
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and that verifies that Carlos

404
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,720
was describing three objects around this

405
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,059
airplane and it's being registered on

406
00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:08,820
the on the radar screen and then I was

407
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:11,220
wondering if we could listen to his his

408
00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:13,740
uh the brief conversation the audio clip

409
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,020
of who uh talking to the air traffic

410
00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:17,760
controllers as soon as we come back

411
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,580
let's do it yeah okay Carlos anything

412
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:23,039
you want to add to the the discs

413
00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:25,260
themselves in terms of a description

414
00:21:30,669 --> 00:21:28,679
they they were what color were they and

415
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,679
they had a dome on the top was the Dome

416
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,600
clear could you see through it or was it

417
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,480
also solid looking like the rest of the

418
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:38,700
disc itself

419
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:43,440
well uh the characteristics uh of the

420
00:21:49,930 --> 00:21:48,000
the UFOs the disk are the color gray

421
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Great Dark

422
00:22:00,970 --> 00:21:56,280
mate and the like the fossilized of the

423
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:00,980
the new force it was um

424
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,299
just one third piece of this of the uh

425
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:09,120
how do you say in English it's a no no

426
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no

427
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:19,559
and the the they they have a uh

428
00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:22,400
approximately is the

429
00:22:27,789 --> 00:22:26,460
windshield like a windshield but the the

430
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:27,799
the

431
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:33,480
glass it is dark I can I can see inside

432
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:37,740
the the ah interesting the universe okay

433
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:39,539
so it was different it was it was

434
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:42,659
different than the actual the fuselage

435
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:45,720
of the disc it was a round glass like

436
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:48,960
but dark Dome on the top exactly okay

437
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:52,140
exactly very good and then

438
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:01,570
if you see an airplane or an helicopter

439
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:05,580
do you see the the wings the ampenish

440
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:10,020
the engines but well when you see a new

441
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,220
kid flying at the same altitude at the

442
00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:17,520
same level are you flying

443
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:22,460
and that objects if that has

444
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:31,870
uh how to fly how how they fly

445
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:35,400
we're we're glad that they have the

446
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,059
order of the UFO we know the the wings

447
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:42,480
with emptiness and foremost

448
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:48,179
uh well what's the what kind of engine

449
00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:52,559
used to disk for the for flying about

450
00:24:00,010 --> 00:23:57,659
the air I don't know okay it was a very

451
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:00,020
very uh

452
00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:03,720
wonderful experience for me because

453
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:07,880
after this experience in

454
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:13,860
1975 I had two meetings with the many

455
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:17,039
black and now you do you know the many

456
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:21,539
black blacks with the black beings they

457
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:25,260
tried it to persuade persuade me

458
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:28,440
that I don't manifest anything about my

459
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:30,059
experience well they told you to be

460
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:31,320
quiet okay

461
00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:37,260
yeah in 1975 and the second meeting with

462
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:40,620
us with these guys in 19

463
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:47,529
um

464
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,360
it is very very hard for me because for

465
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:53,220
me and my family

466
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:57,600
oh yes because this kind of people at

467
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:01,620
that time I don't know nothing about the

468
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:04,860
do you know the

469
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:07,620
um clonation

470
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,140
at that time I have a two meeting with

471
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,220
four men

472
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:17,520
all the same bodies all the same hair

473
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:22,520
all the same base and the kind of

474
00:25:32,289 --> 00:25:27,900
language is exactly and a very very

475
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:34,870
were the Men in Black

476
00:25:41,529 --> 00:25:39,260
uh Latino or would they North American

477
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:41,539
Caucasian

478
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:45,179
not American no Latino something that

479
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,419
like that I see something like the do

480
00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:50,159
you know that that people they're

481
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:52,100
pickings

482
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:57,000
on the north of Europa Europe okay next

483
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:00,179
the nordics okay yeah that's right

484
00:26:05,409 --> 00:26:04,020
nordink Nordic and like the big Kings do

485
00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:05,419
you know

486
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:09,080
but the four Mains are the

487
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,740
equals the same body all the same yeah

488
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,039
yeah all the same that's weird

489
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,960
and now

490
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:20,960
I have the

491
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:27,000
59 years and for about 59 years I I

492
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,539
don't know the the cigarettes I don't

493
00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:32,940
know the Liquors

494
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,059
I don't know

495
00:26:41,570 --> 00:26:38,000
the drugs and anything

496
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,580
but it was a special experience for me

497
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,039
because I I don't know what happened

498
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:46,620
with the with us I don't know what

499
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,059
happened with the

500
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,880
human and Humanity

501
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:53,400
but um

502
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,460
I asked many asked questions about for

503
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,080
me

504
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:03,120
but I don't know

505
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:07,799
that I'm I'm very happy and I'm very sad

506
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,159
with this experience after many years

507
00:27:18,010 --> 00:27:13,980
like a commercial pilot for about 32

508
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:18,020
years yeah and many experience to reply

509
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:21,419
forming bad weather turning very nice

510
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:25,919
conditions and my whole life besides my

511
00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:26,760
family

512
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:30,840
I have come to me so many questions I

513
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,960
understand well you know first

514
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,880
because of the

515
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:37,440
top people

516
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:40,919
have thoughts such experience have you

517
00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,760
seen Carlos I always consider myself a

518
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:46,400
very healthy

519
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:50,760
during those 32 years sure have you seen

520
00:27:57,490 --> 00:27:54,059
any any other did you see any other UFOs

521
00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:57,500
during your flying career

522
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,520
uh flying at that time it was the only

523
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:04,980
the only experience okay

524
00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:07,740
yeah all right let me play a little bit

525
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:10,820
of a tape here of the conversation

526
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:14,520
between you and the Mexico City

527
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,059
control tower oh yeah or really yeah

528
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:20,460
hold on a second okay

529
00:28:27,000 --> 00:29:03,649
yeah foreign

530
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:06,649
okay very good did you hear that Carlos

531
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,200
yeah yep you remember you remember that

532
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,020
I heard the communication

533
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:15,659
yeah I I don't have in control of the

534
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:18,899
aircraft when the the disk when the the

535
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,799
U Falls flying uh with me is that what

536
00:29:26,649 --> 00:29:24,240
you're is that what you're telling them

537
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:30,830
what was he saying noi in that yes of

538
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,539
course it's a fascinating uh few seconds

539
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:35,580
of tape there we heard him say mayday

540
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:38,039
mayday over and over again and he was

541
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:39,720
telling the air traffic controllers that

542
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,419
he had lost total control of his plane

543
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,120
that he was not flying his own aircraft

544
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:48,419
but the controls uh were were no longer

545
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:51,720
operational so uh that's what he said in

546
00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:53,820
that short verse there that he had no

547
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,340
control of his airplane

548
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,960
well he certainly could hear the emotion

549
00:30:03,230 --> 00:30:00,120
and intensity in his voice but still

550
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,240
professional and uh

551
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:05,700
that's pretty amazing that's just 39

552
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:08,520
seconds but we have 18 minutes of uh

553
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,460
Carlos wow communicating back and forth

554
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:13,860
with the air traffic control the visits

555
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,260
of the Men in Black two on two occasions

556
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,960
two of them uh is

557
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,840
emblematic of obviously a very major

558
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:23,640
case

559
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:27,179
uh they they don't show up every time

560
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:28,919
it's inciting but when there's a big one

561
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:30,779
like this they seem to know what's going

562
00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:33,899
on anything Reuben you can add about

563
00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:36,679
this the visits that uh Carlos mentioned

564
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,539
you know the as uh Carlos was mentioning

565
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,100
when he returned back

566
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,260
um he went through a series of medical

567
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:48,960
examinations and one of the things about

568
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:52,320
his case it was uh nationally televised

569
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,580
on

570
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:55,279
throughout Mexico

571
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,380
all right and so this attracted the

572
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:00,360
attention of some prominent UFO

573
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,059
researchers as Carlson mentioned Jay

574
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,299
Allen heineck uh Jack Malay and several

575
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,580
others they actually came down to visit

576
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,440
him in Mexico

577
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:12,799
and they wanted to get more information

578
00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:16,260
from Carlos of his unique experience and

579
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:19,820
Carlos was also uh working very closely

580
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:23,480
with another uh UFO investigate

581
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:27,200
investigator Pedro perisu which is

582
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:29,880
Mexico's uh

583
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,580
um Godfather review apology very good

584
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,740
all right let's uh kind of wrap this up

585
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:37,020
with Carlos and probably lady wants to

586
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:38,760
get to rest here what should we need to

587
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,340
cover Noe that we haven't yet okay

588
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,080
there's a very interesting kind of

589
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:45,419
footnote to this besides the the two

590
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,940
visits he had from the Men in Black uh

591
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,340
it turns out that this as Reuben was

592
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:53,100
pointing out this uh encounter that uh

593
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:55,799
Carlos had with the with the three UFOs

594
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:59,760
was nationally publicized in Mexico and

595
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,460
in fact we have the front cover of the

596
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,520
Mexico City newspaper from May 5th 1975

597
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:07,740
that I'm looking at here it's we have a

598
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:09,899
reprint of it in our book Mexico's

599
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:13,020
Roswell in which uh Carlos's incident

600
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,880
appears on in Second Coming uh font on

601
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:20,279
the front page of of the Mexico City

602
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,899
newspaper so in this article about what

603
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,640
happened to him

604
00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:28,620
um one of the air traffic controllers

605
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:29,940
from Max Mexico City International

606
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:34,500
Airport Emilio estanio Lopez and another

607
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,120
one in fact two two of the guys

608
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:38,760
interiano Diaz both air traffic

609
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:41,520
controllers verified Carlos's story in

610
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,220
the article and they said that what they

611
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:47,520
saw on radar they saw the strange uh the

612
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,720
strange radar blip that executed a 270

613
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:54,480
degree turn in a radius of three or four

614
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:58,980
miles at a speed of nearly 600 miles per

615
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,880
hour

616
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:03,120
and the air traffic controller stated uh

617
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:05,399
on the record that they knew of no

618
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:09,059
man-made aircraft in 1975 that could

619
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,240
execute such a maneuver so

620
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,159
um so the article and and the

621
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,740
information that came out after this uh

622
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,679
his his uh encounter certainly verified

623
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,899
his visual observations on board that

624
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,700
that plane

625
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,480
um

626
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,880
about what happened it was a terrifying

627
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:29,700
incident and and it is uh recognized by

628
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,480
UFO researchers as one of the top uh

629
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:36,960
pilot eyewitness testimonies of a close

630
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,159
hand UFO encounter in history sure oh

631
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:42,960
yeah for sure Carlos is there anything

632
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:45,720
you would like to add to the wonderful

633
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:48,840
description you've given us

634
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:52,559
well yes yes I'm I would like to tell

635
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:56,519
you something is for about the uh my

636
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,200
life and at that time in 1975

637
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:10,250
when the Mr Dr Alan Heine coming to

638
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:11,639
Mexico City

639
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,760
to talk with me

640
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,060
[Music]

641
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,520
told me a letter

642
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:20,399
from the president of the United States

643
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:24,060
Mr Jr Ford

644
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,040
um

645
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:28,200
Mr President Gerald Ford

646
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:33,379
sent to Mr Alan Heinen when

647
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:37,679
when the Allen Heinen is um

648
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:43,080
how do you say assessor in the U.S Air

649
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:46,280
Force for the U.S Air Force and concert

650
00:34:54,889 --> 00:34:51,839
to the NASA with the ray Stanford and

651
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:54,899
I'm very glad with that letter

652
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:57,720
from the president of the United States

653
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:00,619
oh sure because many people

654
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:05,520
think for about me that that guy you are

655
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:11,240
are crazy crazy Carlos are yeah

656
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:15,599
Carlos are many things yeah but the only

657
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,839
thing that I save it my reputation I'm

658
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:21,780
gonna tell you again my reputation like

659
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:26,099
a human like a virtual pilot like

660
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:30,960
professionals is the the Manifest of the

661
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:32,339
controllers

662
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:36,480
but um that's the only thing that I I

663
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,380
can say to you what was the last meeting

664
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,480
with the Men in Black what did they say

665
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:45,300
to you at that time do you remember yes

666
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:46,680
yes

667
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:54,680
the first meeting it was in 1975 when Mr

668
00:36:03,250 --> 00:35:58,640
Pedro heres Pedro Ferris in Mexico

669
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:03,260
Pedro Ferris is a is a man is a personal

670
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:08,700
like Alan heinek right because he has

671
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:13,680
now 19 years old and his life

672
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,000
and it was the the first meeting and the

673
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:19,920
second meeting and the last meeting with

674
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,060
the Men in Black it was in

675
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:27,839
in the same year when Alan Heinen coming

676
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:30,920
here come here to Mexico

677
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:33,300
and uh

678
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,260
to talk with me in 1975.

679
00:36:44,109 --> 00:36:40,500
and then in 1977

680
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:44,119
it was the first convention

681
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:48,660
UFOs convention in Acapulco Acapulco

682
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,099
Convention Center in 1977 yeah

683
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,310
okay

684
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:01,140
then the first meeting with the many

685
00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:02,460
black

686
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,400
the only thing that they told me

687
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:09,900
if you

688
00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:12,900
I'm driving I'm driving on the on the

689
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:18,859
freeway to to the TV for the the first

690
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:22,920
interview with the Pedro Ferris right

691
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:26,640
and I'm driving in the in the freeway

692
00:37:33,609 --> 00:37:30,599
and at that time there are no a lot of

693
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,619
many traffic in in Mexico Mexico City

694
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:35,940
and then

695
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:40,020
I'm driving and for the left side of the

696
00:37:49,089 --> 00:37:44,540
car on my car uh one car one black car

697
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:49,099
like the Diplomatic car

698
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,200
collection for me

699
00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:55,680
and the second carp coming from from the

700
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,839
right side and the stop in front of me

701
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:02,700
I I don't know what happened in that

702
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:04,859
time I don't see I don't think nothing

703
00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:07,260
about the UFOs I don't think it has

704
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:09,079
nothing about the

705
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:13,320
nothingness and I think about some

706
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:16,440
problems traffic problem right

707
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:21,839
I try to get down of my car or see what

708
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:26,700
happened and from the the car in the

709
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,180
front they come in two Mains and the

710
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:34,320
left car they come in two men more the

711
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,820
four Mains are the same characteristics

712
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,740
and what did they say to you they're and

713
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:43,020
they all look the same they all look the

714
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:44,220
same

715
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:47,700
that's kind of scary by itself

716
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:51,960
well one of the of those guys those four

717
00:39:03,230 --> 00:38:57,000
guys one of them uh coming to my car

718
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:03,240
and he put his face into my car and I'm

719
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:07,680
the I'm the request to the right side of

720
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:13,920
the copilot seat and they he told me if

721
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:17,220
you appreciate your life

722
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,140
don't talk anymore don't say nothing

723
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:24,300
that's it that's it

724
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:25,980
the four guys

725
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:31,859
go to the cars and go go everywhere I

726
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:33,240
don't know where

727
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,780
but um

728
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:38,400
curlers with these cars

729
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:47,569
yeah and he said these these cars is uh

730
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:51,839
some the Diplomatic cars black cars uh

731
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:52,820
Ford

732
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:55,859
at that time it's uh do you know the

733
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,240
grand grain Grand Marquis sure

734
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:03,420
something like that something like that

735
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,660
like a link big Lincoln or something I

736
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,119
think so anything like that now is

737
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:12,240
Lincoln at that time is a Grand Marquis

738
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:16,440
okay yeah diplomatic right that's the

739
00:40:22,329 --> 00:40:18,180
that's the first visit what happened in

740
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:24,890
when they came to visit you again

741
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:29,700
nothing not too late two years when was

742
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:33,900
it in the the same year in 1975 the the

743
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:38,000
second uh experience with the many black

744
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:42,720
it when Mr Alan heinek coming here

745
00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:46,619
I talked with with him about me

746
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,619
experience my experience forever for

747
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:50,960
about

748
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:54,420
Allah coming here in Friday

749
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,700
and uh we we talk with him in uh the 4

750
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:00,720
P.M

751
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:03,660
to the from

752
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,460
4 P.M to the 4 a.m on the on the his

753
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:12,240
hotel here in Mexico City

754
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:17,400
and then to the next day in Saturday the

755
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:22,200
American Embassy is going to to give him

756
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,880
a cocktail

757
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:26,160
for Alan heineck

758
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:33,470
invited me to the to take a prayer path

759
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,579
with him

760
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:39,060
and when I go to the to take a breakfast

761
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:42,780
in Sunday with Alan haini

762
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:46,500
I'm parking the my car and uh on the

763
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:49,859
street near to the the hotel Alan haynik

764
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:54,000
hotel right and then I put my keys the

765
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,440
car keys on my back when my with my face

766
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:00,780
down and

767
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:05,640
uh walking up the the stairs to the

768
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:06,780
upheld

769
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:14,760
when I feel in the a hit a a hand hit me

770
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:21,180
on my on my body and I I I I'm I'm

771
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:25,400
turned my face up and I see this guy

772
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:30,119
just one one of of that those guys look

773
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:31,320
the same

774
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:38,900
and

775
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:42,060
how do you say that there is

776
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,930
yeah

777
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,280
and then

778
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:53,599
turn around and you are not going to see

779
00:43:02,329 --> 00:42:57,480
to the Mr Alan heinek

780
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:02,339
when I when I stayed outside my car when

781
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:06,319
I uh when I stay on the street

782
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,319
I've I am get some Valor value for me

783
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,540
and I try to talk with the with this guy

784
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:16,560
I

785
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:22,319
happened with you because

786
00:43:26,829 --> 00:43:22,859
um

787
00:43:31,089 --> 00:43:26,839
uh if I can I kind of

788
00:43:34,609 --> 00:43:31,099
supported if I could give some

789
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,619
values for my experience I don't have

790
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:36,599
problem with nothing

791
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,140
with the but I need to talk with Mr Alan

792
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,680
heinek and he tell me you are not going

793
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:45,960
to talk with the Alan heinek turn around

794
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,160
and go and get glass or go get lost

795
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:52,740
something like that was he speaking

796
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,040
Spanish to you no no no uh well yes yes

797
00:44:03,410 --> 00:43:59,700
in Spanish in Spanish in Spanish but

798
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:03,420
the interview in Spanish yes

799
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:07,140
so what did you what did you say to him

800
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:11,480
I saved him well sir

801
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:11,880
[Music]

802
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:26,390
if I have something important to say uh

803
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:28,200
there's nothing that can stop me from

804
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:31,940
saying it very good very good yeah yes

805
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,400
and he tell me he told me

806
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:36,480
um

807
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:39,240
turn around you are you are not going to

808
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:44,339
see uh to Alain Alan Heine doctor

809
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,870
he told me

810
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:55,200
porque

811
00:45:05,170 --> 00:44:58,500
saliste de Mexicana

812
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:09,730
his history with the company uh with the

813
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:12,300
airline company that he was working with

814
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,930
in Mexican Airlines

815
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:15,960
[Music]

816
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:28,730
he was taking some flight simulator

817
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:32,220
training at the time so he was he told

818
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,819
the man in Black that uh the reason he

819
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,920
was not with the company at that time

820
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:40,800
was because he had been sent to take

821
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,040
flight simulator simulator training I

822
00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:47,760
was like that's right and then he told

823
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,740
me

824
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:52,079
turn around you are not you are not

825
00:45:57,849 --> 00:45:55,980
going to to save Mr Alan Heine doctor

826
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:57,859
uh

827
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,619
go away and get lost from here

828
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,380
I don't say nothing I'm turning around

829
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:07,920
I'm going to my car to take my take my

830
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:11,880
car and then I'm I'm going to see my my

831
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:15,180
father my father was working on the same

832
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:17,339
company in Mexicana

833
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,720
yep and that's it but uh so you you left

834
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:24,359
did you leave you left

835
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:29,220
I'm left yeah okay all right yes so you

836
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:31,800
keep that threat works that was the the

837
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,490
were you at least 1975. Cardinals you

838
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,319
you were you able to meet with uh doctor

839
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,140
hi Nick later

840
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:49,260
did you meet with him after all

841
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,540
for me I didn't understand

842
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:53,760
um did you did you meet with Dr heinek

843
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:57,180
afterwards or did you did you uh yeah

844
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,880
Carlos did you meet Dr heineck after the

845
00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:01,859
man in Black told you to leave did you

846
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:04,380
meet him later

847
00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:21,309
um

848
00:47:21,319 --> 00:47:33,490
but in 1977 ah two years

849
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:36,349
go ahead and ask him or Reuben uh did he

850
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,040
explain to Dr heinek why he didn't meet

851
00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,079
with him two years earlier like I'm sure

852
00:47:49,089 --> 00:47:42,180
he must have

853
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:50,829
umres

854
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:54,480
oh yes because yes I

855
00:48:02,210 --> 00:47:58,970
in 1975

856
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:02,220
Mr Pedro Ferris

857
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:06,980
talk with Alan heineck explained him

858
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:11,040
what's happening in that Sunday

859
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:16,800
and then in 1977 I talked with Alan

860
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,060
heinek and I talked with rice sample and

861
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,000
Ray Stanford tell me told me at that

862
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,079
time what happened with the black men

863
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:31,200
and I took I'd explain it everything

864
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:35,819
about that two experience I see and Mr

865
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:38,099
Ray Stanford

866
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:42,660
explain me the many things about the

867
00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:46,380
black black men black men the Men in

868
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:47,300
Black

869
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:52,859
because he say me Carlos you never think

870
00:49:04,210 --> 00:48:58,560
like the NASA is everything in NASA is a

871
00:49:07,210 --> 00:49:04,220
spaceships no in NASA there are we have

872
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:07,220
many departments

873
00:49:16,510 --> 00:49:11,480
dedicated to

874
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:16,520
investigate many experience than the

875
00:49:25,809 --> 00:49:20,540
paranormal paranormal phenomenons or

876
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:25,819
with the uh something the how do you say

877
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:34,210
department

878
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:38,579
interesting they have a paranormal

879
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:41,640
investigation department I didn't know

880
00:49:50,589 --> 00:49:43,220
they're interested

881
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:52,970
de la NASA

882
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,859
convention

883
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:58,020
the brujeria

884
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,520
in Colombia oh wow they went to on

885
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:05,599
behalf of NASA to a conference in

886
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,079
Colombia on um regarding witchcraft

887
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:12,000
who who went

888
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:12,900
right

889
00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:23,770
to study witchcraft

890
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:27,770
that kind of reminds me

891
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:30,660
of the story of NASA being involved down

892
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,380
in Chile and the chupacabra and flying

893
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,140
in there in a small well I wasn't an

894
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,000
airliner but it was a jet

895
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,240
and was a NASA jet and they had a cage

896
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:44,400
and there was all kinds of reports down

897
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,480
there

898
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:47,220
uh

899
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:54,740
oh with um Dr um

900
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:57,780
I'm trying to remember his yeah yes uh

901
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,530
Sanchez anyway he's a wonderful man he

902
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:09,359
was down there but NASA is basically at

903
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,180
Nasa is military all right ultimately it

904
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:13,920
is it just it answers to the military

905
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,900
well as Carlos was saying they're

906
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,760
interested in various aspects of it

907
00:51:22,569 --> 00:51:19,859
that's right they're interested in a lot

908
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:22,579
of things yeah very interesting

909
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,400
and that and right Stanford explain me

910
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:29,400
at that time when when they go to the

911
00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:30,540
Colombia

912
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:34,859
and then they was uh have an experience

913
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,119
with many many black black men oh they

914
00:51:43,250 --> 00:51:41,700
did in Colombia

915
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:43,260
well they get those Men In Black get

916
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:46,260
around well right that's right okay

917
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,579
Carlos uh I want to thank you uh mucho

918
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:53,760
gracias for being here and uh tell him

919
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,339
gentlemen that he just did a superb job

920
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:58,319
explaining the story if you would just

921
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:00,420
remarkable make sure you underscore that

922
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:12,170
it it was my pleasure and um I'm going

923
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:18,079
to repeat the I have a 59 years old and

924
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:21,900
32 years like a commercial pilot yes but

925
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:27,180
it's very sad for me because my ears are

926
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,420
very damaged and I would like to fly

927
00:52:33,849 --> 00:52:32,940
more gears but it's impossible for me

928
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:33,859
because

929
00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:38,640
something is happening into my body

930
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:39,260
um

931
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:44,160
visibly my ears and sorry because my my

932
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,819
English is is poor my English is not

933
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,579
very good no need to apologize my friend

934
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:53,339
that was very good excellent it's enough

935
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,119
to say Happy New Year and God bless you

936
00:53:03,470 --> 00:52:59,880
USA thank you and the same to you Happy